Listening to an NPR broadcast I understand that after the breakdown of negotiations with the farmer who owns the land where Flight 93 crashed, the government has decided to condemn the land in order to obtain it for a memorial.

The move is due to the government's wish to erect a memorial in time for the ten-year anniversary.

What is this country coming to? Is this the ideal that the passengers of Flight 93 perished for? To confiscate property?

What a disgrace.

"The plane Bush had shot down".


..... And don't bother, you won't convince me otherwise.

At least he waited until it was over a non-populated area.

Oh, come on, Stony! I am sure if there was another plane in that area, the people of Shanksville would have seen it!

LOL ..... "another plane". There was a pack of fighter jets who did in fact shoot the plane down. And there were plenty of eye witnesses who seen it happen, but just as one might expect in a "third world country" or "one behind the iron curtain" the witnesses either disappeared or recanted their story explaining "they were mistaken".

I sort of witnessed the shoot down myself from in front of my TV watching CNN and other major networks. AND I have a witness, or several!

Well, if that's true, it will come out someday. I know they sent fighter planes out, never really heard anything else about it.

But don't take my word for it. Google "flight 93 shot down" and read the very first page that comes up.


You will read:

Eyewitness Reports at Odds With Official Scenario



By Christopher Bollyn

INDIAN LAKE, Pennsylvania�Eyewitness testimonies have generally been excluded from the official version of 9-11. In the Shanksville area, where many residents believe Flight 93 was shot down, there are scores of eyewitnesses whose testimonies contradict the government�s claim that courageous passengers fought hijackers, forcing the jetliner to crash rather than be flown into a building.

Some local residents here are deeply offended by the official explanation of what supposedly happened to United Airlines Flight 93, calling it a patriotic pack of lies.

Fearful of retribution from federal agents, many eyewitnesses who spoke with American Free Press asked that their names not be published.

While differing on some details of the plane said to be Flight 93, which passed over Lambertsville, eyewitnesses agree that unexplained military aircraft were in the immediate vicinity when a huge explosive �fireball� occurred at the reclaimed coal mine near Shanksville.

Viola Saylor saw Flight 93 pass very low over her house in Lambertsville, which is a mile north of the official crash site. She was in her backyard when she heard a very loud noise and looked up to find herself �nose to nose� with Flight 93, which she says was flying �upside down� as it passed overhead. It was blue and silver, she said, and glistened in the sunlight. It was so low that it rustled the leaves of her 100-foot maple tree in her yard.

It flew southeastward for about three more seconds and even gained elevation before it crashed over the hill with a �thud,� she said.

�It was really still for a second,� she said. �Then all of a sudden� she saw a �very quiet� and low-flying white �military� plane coming from the area of the crash site, flying toward the northwest.

�It was flying very fast, like it was trying to get out of here,� she said. �A second or two� behind the �military� plane were two other planes, which Saylor described as �normal� planes.

Shown a photograph of a Fairchild A-10 Thunderbolt II, a low-flying combat aircraft commonly referred to as a �Warthog,� Saylor identified it as the military plane she had seen. She said she recognized the two engines on the rear and the distinctive shape of the cockpit and nose of the plane.

Similar eyewitness reports of military planes over Shanksville on 9-11 remain censored by the U.S. corporate media, although they were reported in two leading British newspapers.

Susan McElwain, a local teacher, also reported seeing a white �military� plane at the scene of the crash before witnessing an explosion. Ms. Mcelwain told The Daily Mirror what she saw:

�It came right over me, I reckon just 40 or 50 feet above my mini-van,� she recalled. �It was so low I ducked instinctively. It was traveling real fast, but hardly made any sound.

�Then it disappeared behind some trees. A few seconds later I heard this great explosion and saw this fireball rise up over the trees, so I figured the jet had crashed. The ground really shook. So I dialed 911 and told them what happened.

�I�d heard nothing about the other attacks and it was only when I got home and saw the TV that I realized it wasn�t the white jet, but Flight 93.

�I didn�t think much more about it until the authorities started to say there had been no other plane. The plane I saw was heading right to the point where Flight 93 crashed and must have been there at the very moment it came down.

�There�s no way I imagined this plane�it was so low it was virtually on top of me. It was white with no markings but it was definitely military, it just had that look.

�It had two rear engines, a big fin on the back like a spoiler on the back of a car and with two upright fins at the side,� Ms. McElwain said. �I haven�t found one like it on the Internet. It definitely wasn�t one of those executive jets.

[However,] the FBI came and talked to me and said there was no plane around.�

The plane Ms. McElwain describes is similar to the Warthog seen by Saylor over Lambertsville.

�Then [FBI agents] changed their story and tried to say it was a plane taking pictures of the crash 3,000 feet up,� she said. �But I saw it, and it was there before the crash, and it was 40 feet above my head. They did not want my story�nobody here did.�

The U.S. media has only reported what Bill Crowley, FBI spokesman from Pittsburgh, said about other planes in the area: �Two other airplanes were flying near the hijacked United Airlines jet when it crashed, but neither had anything to do with the airliner�s fate.�

In an apparent slip of the tongue, Crowley said one of the planes, �a Fairchild Falcon 20 business jet,� had been directed to the crash site to help rescuers. The Falcon 20, however, is made by Dassault of France while Fairchild made the A-10 Thunderbolt II, the plane described by Ms. Mcelwain and identified by other eyewitnesses.

The Daily American of nearby Somerset did not want Ms. McElwain�s story. In fact, the local paper has never reported that at least 12 local residents saw several unexplained aircraft at the time of the crash.

Asked why the paper has not mentioned these eyewitness reports, managing editor Brian P. Whipkey told AFP �They could not be substantiated.�

THE SCREAMING THING

At the horseshoe-shaped Indian Lake, about a mile east of the official crash site, several eyewitnesses recalled hearing �a screaming thing� that �screeched� as it passed over the golf course and lakeside community immediately before a huge explosion shook the ground.

Chris Smith, the groundskeeper at the golf course, said something with a �very loud screeching sound� passed over in the immediate vicinity of the golf course before he heard a huge explosion.

�It was like nothing I�ve ever heard before,� Smith said.

The explosion that followed sounded like a �sonic boom,� he said. Smith and others said they felt the shock wave from the explosion.

Smith said he was used to seeing a variety of military aircraft from the nearby Air National Guard bases in Johnstown and Cumberland, Md.

Another groundskeeper said he saw a silver plane pass overhead toward the crash site from the southeast after hearing the loud �screeching� sound. The large silver plane was at an elevation of several thousand feet, he said.

A local veteran who flew combat helicopters in the Vietnam War told AFP that the high-pitched screeching sound was indicative of a missile.

Shown a photo of an A-10 Warthog, the groundskeeper identified it as the kind of plane that circled the crash site at a very low altitude three times before flying away. He recognized the two vertical fins on the rear of the plane. �Nobody was interested in what we saw,� he said. �They didn�t even ask us.�

Mobile telephones and satellite televisions in the Indian Lake area did not work at the time of the crash, he said. Paul Muro was in his yard in Lambertsville when Flight 93 passed overhead. Muro, who lives a half-mile closer to the crash site than Saylor, said the plane was flying rightside up and normally, although it was very low.

Muro told AFP that he also saw a large silver plane approaching from the south, the opposite direction of Flight 93, above the crash site at the time of the explosion.

The silver plane then turned and headed back in the direction from which it had come, he said.

Tom Spinelli works at the Indian Lake Marina. After 9- 11, he told a Pittsburgh television news reporter about the unexplained aircraft he saw. �I saw the white plane,� he said.

�It was flying around all over the place like it was looking for something,� he said. �I saw it before and after the crash.�

AFP visited the marina and asked Spinelli about the planes he saw on 9-11.
�I�m sorry,� Spinelli said. �No comment� is all I can say.�

An Indian Lake resident told AFP that federal agents had visited the marina after Spinelli had spoken to the Pittsburgh news channel, TV 4, and told him to stop talking about what he saw.

Local firefighters were also told not to talk about what they had seen at the crash site.

(Issue #30, July 25, 2005)


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And of course there is the wide spread debris field.


From the October 2001 Idaho Observer:


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Evidence indicates Flight 93 shot down by U.S. fighter

by Bill Walter

The international press corps reported shortly after the events of Sept. 11, 2001, that President Bush told the American People the terrorist attacks on The World Trade Center twin towers in New York City and the Pentagon in Washington D.C. were the direct result of a “colossal intelligence blunder.” The president also stated that “Your government had no advance warning of this attack!”

The Sacramento Bee reported the following: “The Pentagon scrambled fighter jets to track a hijacked jet liner headed toward Washington, but the plane crashed in Pennsylvania, perhaps after a struggle between passengers and the hijackers.”

Other major media sources reported four jet interceptors had been scrambled -- none able to overtake the three jet liners which crashed into their intended targets in New York and Washington D.C.

A Reuters report from September 13 stated that the FBI cannot rule out that hijacked Flight 93 was shot down by a U.S. fighter jet before it crashed in Pennsylvania. Citing indications of a shoot down, the report states:

“Pennsylvania state police officials said on Thursday debris from the plane had been found up to 8 miles away [from the crash site] in a residential community where local media have quoted residents as speaking of a second plane in the area and burning debris falling from the sky.”

Finding debris miles from the crash site indicates that the aircraft was disintegrating well before it hit the ground, as would be the case if the other plane witnesses saw shot it down. The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported Sept. 12 that the debris found miles from the crash site included “clothing, books, papers and what appeared to be human remains.”

The secretary of defense denied reports that Flight 93 was shot down.

Shortly after it crashed, rumors began circulating that United Airlines Flight 93 had been shot down by a U.S. fighter jet, but had no authoritative confirmation. The news desk at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette was contacted Sept. 22. The editor confirmed the news release and stood by the information contained in it. The editor also said that, “The FBI confirmed to us that the debris came from that airliner!”

When asked why no other news media in the nation carried their story, I was told, “Of course we passed it forward, but we can't be responsible for what other news media do.”


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Third NSA Source Confirms: Flight 93 Shot Down By Air Force Jet

by Wayne Madsen
"WMR has received another confirmation, bringing the total number to three, that United Flight 93, hijacked on the morning of September 11, 2001, was shot down over rural Pennsylvania by U.S. Air Force jets scrambled from Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland. There are also reports that one F-16 scrambled from Langley Air Force Base in Virginia returned to base minus one air-to-air missile but the National Security Agency CRITIC report specified the interceptors that downed United 93 took off from Andrews.

The third confirmation, as were the first two, is from a National Security Agency (NSA) source. In fact, a number of personnel who were on watch at the Meade Operations Center (MOC), which is a floor below the NSA's National Security Operations Center (NSOC), were aware that United 93 was brought down by an Air Force air-to-air missile. Personnel within both the MOC and NSOC have reported the doomed aircraft was shot down.

The 9/11 Commission, which is now known to have been influenced by Bush adviser Karl Rove and its Executive Director Phil Zelikow, never interviewed the on-duty signals intelligence personnel who were aware that United 93 was brought down by Air Force jets. The cover-story is that passengers on board the plane struggled with hijackers and flew the plane directly into the ground near Shanksville, Pennsylvania. Investigators have stressed that the 8-mile debris field left by the doomed aircraft proves the government's story is a hoax."

Okay, not saying that people haven't been known to LIE, but now that shrub is gone, why isn't this an issue? Something this big can't stay secret for this long! What, did they sprinkle fairy dust over the whole area so people would "forget" what they saw?

Or would threats be sufficient to keep, say, YOU quiet? You're talking an entire county!

Don't you remember in the few days right after the crash they interview that guy who lives on the lake .... I think he was fishing. He eye witnessed an explosion in the air, and then a piece of the plane ended up in the lake he was fishing in, or lived on?

"Everybody knew" right away it was a shoot down.

People were picked off one by one and silenced.

And who wants to go against the amazing and heroic "storm the cockpit" story they fabricated after several months? It probably took the Bush spin department a lot of work to come up with that story.

Speaking of "missing people" or missing testimony ..... Remember when Bush first ran for president? The first election he lost?

What about all those guys who came out and got national attention saying they were party buddies of Bush and did Coke with him? There were at least five guys who all swore that (at different parties) they did Coke with our looser president. One by one ... those guys "dropped off the map" ..... just like the eye witnesses who saw flight 93 get shot down!

Is it any wonder why Bush built, staffed and maintained 800 prison camps?