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 Post subject: Re: Moving to Bradford
PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:06 am 
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Well spoke, Nanrose. I no longer live in Bradford, but am interested in what goes on there and keep abreast of things with BT. In defense of the BT folks, they did mount a concentrated effort to have some reform in the Code Enforcement portion of the City Government here. And the improvement seems to be worth the effort.
The desire for improvement and change IS there. But the long term investment in effort to achieve that seems to wane after a while. I think the neighborhood watch program is a graphic example.
The school system was described as very expensive and producing underachievers. Compare the cost per student and graduation rates with Bradford students and those from where you come from. There are realistic statistics for comparison in almost any category mentioned here. That type of information is easy to find. And won't be slanted by someone who lives there.
I left, not because of the deterioration of Bradford, but because of a lifestyle change. And I CAN sympathize with the problems mentioned on this forum. But do some research and spend some serious time there and come to your own conclusions. And good luck with whatever you decide!


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 Post subject: Re: Moving to Bradford
PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:25 pm 
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Many 'regulars' on here have been fighting to improve and clean up Bradford, some of us for many many years Nan, in fact these same regulars are also some of the most outspoken about the areas problems precisely because they do care about Bradford. A major problem here is Apathy (yes with a capital A), there are people who care, just not enough to offset the large welfare population, and on the other side of the coin, are the special interests who control the areas financial resources, and where they end up. (or more importantly, where they dont...)

Citizen is correct. I know for a fact that he, along with many others (Even me) have gone out and cleaned up trash and litter left by others. And it WASN'T because we got a DUI! Stony has gone out and taken pictures of the good, the bad, and the ugly. Most of us on here have been involved with some kind of fundraising for one cause or another. One thing we can't change is the state and federal welfare policies that cripple this town. In particular, b/c the Federal Prison nearby, the abundant housing from slumlords, and flocking of out of towners coming for the welfare. SO many new ppl live here now, of working age, W/O jobs. Why or why are they HERE?
But for a retired couple with a good income, the low cost of living is good. The out-lying scenery is beautiful, and our traffic jams consist of two cars at the intersection, waiting for the stroller brigade (couldn't resist) to saunter across the road diagonally.


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 Post subject: Re: Moving to Bradford
PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:32 pm 
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Nanrose, Bradford definitely has it's good and bad points. And as Citizen has already so articulately pointed out, we complain about stuff we would like to see changed. A lot of the "complainers" also do a lot of good "stuff" that others are not aware of.

We have to counter the "deniers" who don't want to hear anything negative about Bradford. They just want all of us to bury our heads in the sand along with them, and ignore all the problems hoping they might one day go away on their own like magic. Sometimes they spend more energy trying to stifle public discussion then they would spend fixing the problem!

People may like different stuff about Bradford. I'm here for the low cost of living, and the great outdoors experiences. I love the big rock areas, caves, old growth trees, and the water! I kayak, canoe, fish and dive! I also love the whitewater when we have it.

Here are a few suggestions.

One, why don't you ask the posters to post what THEY personally like about Bradford. Ask them what, besides family and a job keeps them here.

Also our mayor, Tom Riel is a poster here. Try asking him his top three, five or ten things about Bradford. He is our ambassador for our fair city ask him why YOU should move to Bradford.

I would also ask the Main Street Manager .... "Why should I, or others move to Bradford"? Or even the Chamber of Commerce. "What are the best things about Bradford".

A good follow up questions would be "in your opinion, does the good outweigh the bad"?

What are you looking for in a new location? If you listed that, I'm sure our posters would tell you honestly if you will find that here.

If you would like, I would personally give you a tour of some of the good things, in and around Bradford!


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 Post subject: Re: Moving to Bradford
PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:45 pm 
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Excellent ideas and post, Stony!


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 Post subject: Re: Moving to Bradford
PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:43 pm 
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Like in all towns it is hard to fight for what you think is right but at least you can say you tried.

What is the difference between Bradford and Bradford Township?

How are the hospitals there. Good services or do they fly you to other cities?


Thanks Nan


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 Post subject: Re: Moving to Bradford
PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:32 pm 
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Most people would agree that living in the surrounding townships would be better. Foster Township, Bradford Township, Corydon Township, or even Marshburg.

For one thing we pay over 16 mills in taxes, while the two connected township pay about 4 or 5 mills.

I often walk from Bradford City to Bradford or Foster Townships, they are that small.

The services are about the same in all townships and the city.

"How is the hospital" ..... LOL! That is a loaded question! There is a great hospital not too far away in Cuba NY, Wellsville NY or even Coudersport Pa.

All too often if you really need to go to a hospital for an emergency in Bradford, you can expect to be life flighted to Erie or Pittsburgh.

There have been long, long threads on this, and other Bradford internet sites, that had horror stories about our local hospital.


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 Post subject: Re: Moving to Bradford
PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:37 pm 
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Guitar wrote:
Excellent ideas and post, Stony!



Thank you Guitar! That means a lot to me coming form one of my harshest critics! Thanks! I'll be sure to complement you when you make a good post.

Oh, I just did! I love your last post!


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 Post subject: Re: Moving to Bradford
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:31 am 
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Thank you all for the info. Bradford in many ways is like no other town/city in the US. I do see that you all do love Bradford and are frustrated that you can't change the things that you would like. We feel the same here but again, if you fight for change, even if you don't get it, you can be proud that you at least tried to make it a better place.

We are doing our research on Bradford and willl make a trip in May or June. I will have other question for all of you but just the interaction on this forum has given us a lot of information that you probably are not even aware of which is good. If we come to live there we would be happy to live near any of you.

Thank you again. I will be back with questions.

Thanks Stony and Citizen


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 Post subject: Re: Moving to Bradford
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:33 am 
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oops! last post was from Nan rose. Thank also to guitar. Nanrose


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 Post subject: Re: Moving to Bradford
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:41 pm 
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Many People Who Choose To Come To Live In the Bradford Area (Bradford City or Foster, Bradford, Corydon, Lafayette Townships or the Borough of Lewis Run) Absolutely LOVE Living Here In The "Pennsylvania Wilds". Our Local McKean County Tourist Promotion Agency (Allegheny National Forest Visitors Bureau) promotes our regional assets by using the Tagline "Visit McKean County - Trail Central". Northwestern Pennsylvania (some say Northcentral) offers almost unlimited recreational opportunities within a short driving distance. Bradford is considered by many people a "Gateway Destination" because of its close proximity to both Buffalo, NY & Erie, PA. Ellicottville, NY (The Aspen of the East) offers Skiing unrivaled by many other Ski Areas in both PA and New York. After talking to many other people who either grew up here or Chose To Move Here, I believe this area offers NEW & Exciting Opportunities for Both Young & Older Residents to Explore & ENJOY! Again, if you Choose To LIVE HERE, you will have many new friends to meet & make your own decisions as to how much GOOD/Bad there is here in the "COOL Town with a WARM Heart". Good Luck & Feel Free to Contact anyone or any organization that may help you to make the "Right Decision".
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 Post subject: Re: Moving to Bradford
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Additional Info: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bradford-Pennsylvania/112097338802418?fref=ts#
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford,_Pennsylvania


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 Post subject: Re: Moving to Bradford
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Thank you Citizen for you post and links. All that you say about Bradford is the reason we feel in love with the area many years ago.

One question- I see that Olean and Bradford Hospitals have come together. Do they offer many new services, or will, which means you are not flown to Erie or Pittsburgh any more? That part, the flying to and from, has me a little concerned.

Thanks, Nan


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