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 Post subject: Re: Here comes gun control
PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:07 pm 
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When you step back and look at the big picture, all the gun laws in our country and what Obama recently did, he merely "tweaked" the law a bit, and most rational people in the country believe it was a good job. A step in the right direction.

A course in civics is needed. Most rational people would realize that only congress can write, change, void laws, not the president. What obama did was remind himself of things he is supposed to do anyway. Nothing he did changed in the slightest any law.


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 Post subject: Re: Here comes gun control
PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:14 pm 
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Too bad stony's poll numbers don't add up.
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WASHINGTON, April 13 (Reuters) - Most Americans support the right to use deadly force to protect themselves - even in public places - and have a favorable view of the National Rifle Association, the main gun-lobby group, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed.

The online survey showed that 68 percent, or two out of three respondents, had a favorable opinion of the NRA, which starts its annual convention in St. Louis, Missouri, on Friday.

Eighty-two percent of Republicans saw the gun lobbying group in a positive light as well as 55 percent of Democrats -- findings running counter to the image of supporters of the latter party being anti-NRA.

Most of the 1,922 people surveyed nationwide from April 9-12 said they supported laws that allow Americans to use deadly force to protect themselves from danger in their own home, or in a public place.

"Americans do hold to this idea that people should be allowed to defend themselves and using deadly force is fine, in those circumstances," said pollster Chris Jackson. "In the theoretical ... there's a certain tolerance of vigilantism."

The poll was conducted amid a nationwide debate over gun rights and race following the shooting of an unarmed black teenager, Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman, a neighborhood crime watch volunteer who is white and Hispanic.

(Link to poll: http:// www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=5586)

The poll results will be welcomed by the NRA, which hosts Republican presidential candidate M itt Romney and likely nominee as a speaker at its convention on Friday.

Eighty-seven percent of respondents - with high numbers among both R epublicans and Democrats - supported the use of deadly force to protect themselves from danger in their home.

Two-thirds said they backed laws permitting the use of deadly force to protect themselves in public.


STEP UP TO PREVENT CRIME

Nearly half of those surveyed felt crime rates were rising where they lived - even though Federal Bureau of Investigation statistics show that violent crime has declined for the past 4-1/2 years.

"People's perception of crime always over-represents reality," said Jackson. "I think that indicates the mind frame that the American public is in - there's always a constant low-level worrying about street crime."

As a result, 85 percent of those polled said they did not believe police could stop all crime and 77 percent felt regular people had to "step up" to help prevent crime from happening.

According to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, nearly 100,000 people are shot every year in the United States in murders, suicides, accidents or police intervention.

Government statistics show that 31,347 people died in the United States in 2009 as a result of gunshots, including 11,493 in homicides.

Ninety-one percent of those who responded to the survey agreed on the need for background checks before a firearm can be sold. Only six percent said they thought gun ownership should require no, or very few restrictions.

Nearly three-quarters of respondents said they supported limiting the sale of automatic weapons, and 62 percent oppose bringing firearms into churches, workplaces or stores.

"A fairly large number of Americans support strong regulation, or at least moderate regulation of gun ownership," said Jackson. "Which is sort of counter to the narrative you often hear that legislators can't touch our guns or you'll have to pay."

The survey included 650 Republicans, 752 Democrats and 520 independents. The precision of the Reuters/Ipsos online poll is measured using a credibility interval and this poll has a credibility interval of plus or minus 2.6 percentage points for all respondents.


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 Post subject: Re: Here comes gun control
PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:06 pm 
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Flash, your poll date was April 13 of 2012. Do you think that with the happenings since then that there is a chance that those statistics might have changed some?


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 Post subject: Re: Here comes gun control
PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:30 pm 
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Guitar wrote:
Flash, your poll date was April 13 of 2012. Do you think that with the happenings since then that there is a chance that those statistics might have changed some?


Thank you Guitar!

You beat me to it.


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 Post subject: Re: Here comes gun control
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:59 pm 
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You would think but you would be wrong.

From one week AFTER the Sandy Hook killings:

Gallup polling shows 54 percent of Americans have a favorable opinion of the NRA. Thirty-eight percent have an unfavorable opinion.

Another survey from Rasmussen Reports released Friday found that 65 percent of Americans think the Second Amendment is meant to help people protect themselves against tyranny. Just 17 percent of those surveyed disagreed.


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 Post subject: Re: Here comes gun control
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:12 pm 
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From our federal gvernment:

Since the Federal Assault Weapons Ban expired in September 2004, murder and overall violent-crime rates have fallen. In 2003, the last full year before the law expired, the U.S. murder rate was 5.7 per 100,000 people, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Uniform Crime Report. By 2011, the murder rate fell to 4.7 per 100,000 people. One should also bear in mind that just 2.6% of all murders are committed using any type of rifle.


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 Post subject: Re: Here comes gun control
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:29 pm 
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Flashback wrote; "One should also bear in mind that just 2.6% of all murders are committed using any type of rifle." When you consider that fact alone it makes this debate almost moot.

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 Post subject: Re: Here comes gun control
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:58 pm 
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I was at the rally today at Lafayette Square in Buffalo. There were thousands of people; men,women,children,veterans,old folks,young folks....2 hours long in bitter wind. Flags of many types and lots of homemade posters. You have to believe that the new legislation has struck a nerve. This was NOT an "occupy" movement moment.
Talk all you want, the process to disarm the populace has begun in New York State. I bought my AK's and SK's 22 years ago as I saw it coming then. I will NEVER register any of them. Ever....
Western New Yorkers are just like Northern Pennsylvanians for the most part. Your support in this matter would be helpful. You may be the next bitter clingers down the path to confiscation.
There was LOTS of talk of forming militias.
Committees of Safety and Committees of Correspondence?
Our rights will be eroded if we show we are weak and divided.

(Or maybe you care more about American Idol?)


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 Post subject: Re: Here comes gun control
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:47 pm 
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I hope NY takes action to quickly repeal some of the most restrictive provisions. Keep up the voice.


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 Post subject: Re: Here comes gun control
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:51 pm 
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The historical statistics of gun control prove that when you disarm the law abiding you shift the balance of power into the hands of the criminals and the government. This woman could have done something as seemingly unobjectionable to us as speaking out for a cause she believed in. A privilege we take for granted, a privilege many fought and died for in our country, and a privilege we are quickly losing if we dont act soon! Wake up! Yes you!


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