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 Post subject: Re: Here comes gun control
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:43 pm 
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Speaking of apples and oranges, your neighbor got a permit for an assault rifle...? You had better watch for red dots that you cant brush away! LOL! What do those gator hunters on TV say? CHOOT IM!, CHOOTIMNOW JUNIOR!

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 Post subject: Re: Here comes gun control
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:45 pm 
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No, you people are right. We should just do what the NRA suggests ..... Let anybody who wants to buy an assault rifle and large capacity clip buy them. And use them at will! ...... Good plan.

The NRA has never said that anyone should buy them and "use them at will". It's actually the opposite. They want responsible citizens that haven't been proven unfit to have a weapon to be able to own one and own it responsibly. That's pure democratic spin and nothing else.

Take a look at history books and see what happens when citizens are unarmed.


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 Post subject: Re: Here comes gun control
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:07 pm 
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JeffT wrote:
Take a look at history books and see what happens when citizens are unarmed.



No, you open your eyes and see what happens in a country that IS armed!

You have a guy killing another guy for making fun of his shoes.

You have a guy who kills a cook because they put mustard on his hotdog.

You have teens shooting an old lady because she suggested they get jobs ........ The list goes on and on!

The days of us taking up arms against our government are long gone!

Psychotropic drugs and guns don't mix. We have too much of both in this country!

We don't need military weapons to protect ourselves in our homes. Nor do we need them to hunt.


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 Post subject: Re: Here comes gun control
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:17 pm 
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The NRA sees us as a country of John Wayne's, but actually we are a country full of David Berkowitz'es!


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 Post subject: Re: Here comes gun control
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:21 pm 
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No, you open your eyes and see what happens in a country that IS armed!

You have a guy killing another guy for making fun of his shoes.

You have a guy who kills a cook because they put mustard on his hotdog.

You have teens shooting an old lady because she suggested they get jobs ........ The list goes on and on!

The days of us taking up arms against our government are long gone!

Psychotropic drugs and guns don't mix. We have too much of both in this country!

We don't need military weapons to protect ourselves in our homes. Nor do we need them to hunt.


Open YOUR eyes. If I'm crazy and want to kill you I'll do it with or without a gun. Why do you keep associating psychotropic drugs and guns? They don't hand you a prescription when you purchase a gun.

The guns are to blame for the loons now? Back in the 60's marijuana was to blame. They had guns back then too.

Yes, if a person feels the need, they do need military grade weapons to defend themselves. You sure as hell can't fight off a tyrannical government that is killing it's citizens with it's military and it's military grade weapons unless you're armed with the same.

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The NRA sees us as a country of John Wayne's, but actually we are a country full of David Berkowitz'es!


Maybe in your world, but in the rest of the country, a.k.a. reality, the majority of gun owners are responsible and even you and the rest of the democrats can't argue with that black and white statistic.


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 Post subject: Re: Here comes gun control
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:27 pm 
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Here's another one for you, states with higher gun ownership have less crime.
http://www.datamasher.org/mash-ups/crim ... -ownership

Or, if you want to see the actual number of gun owners in the US versus the number of times a gun is used in a crime, here you go. Lot's of other pesky and inconvenient facts and statistics for those enlightened gun control activists.
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp


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 Post subject: Re: Here comes gun control
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:29 pm 
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JeffT wrote; "Yes, if a person feels the need, they do need military grade weapons to defend themselves. You sure as hell can't fight off a tyrannical government that is killing it's citizens with it's military and it's military grade weapons unless you're armed with the same." Amen Jeff! I almost wrote this earlier today. That is exactly why the second amendment was written, to protect us from a tyrannical government. That is why the founding fathers felt it important enough to get very specific with the language regarding this in the constitution. It was true then, it is true today. Ever notice how quotes from back then really ring true today? I fear our government much more than any "nut with a gun".

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 Post subject: Re: Here comes gun control
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:39 pm 
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Define "assault weapon", Stony. There is no such designation among manufacturers or gun dealers. Any weapon used to assault someone is an "assault weapon." A club, a knive, a hammer, a rolling pin, a cast iron skillet, your fist...... Walk into a gun dealer and ask to see an assault weapon and he will show you his entire inventory. If you mean an automatic weapon, one that fires multiple rounds each time the trigger is pulled, show me ONE time in our history where such a gun was used in a mass killing by an individual. Even Congress couldn't identify the qualifications for an "asssault" weapon when they tried to ban them in the 90's. This perp used a hunting rifle and two handguns, NONE of which fit the previously banned "assault" weapon ban. Connecticut is regarded as having the strictest gun control in the nation. It didn't matter.

Trust the left to attempt to forward their agenda on the back of this tragedy. 'Let's ban assault weapons (even though they were not used on those kids). Let's pass a law and chip away at our rights (even though laws don't stop criminals....they simply define the punishment.) Banning weapons won't stop criminals....USING weapons can. He picked a "gun free" zone. The Aurora shooter pass several theaters in order to pick one that was "gun free". The perps know where the easy pickings are.....unarmed people. When did Lanza kill himself? When the cops showed up with guns. Do you think these people are adverse to situations where someone besides them has a weapon? I'd call that a deterrent. Not something any law restricting our rights could be mistaken for. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Here comes gun control
PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:27 am 
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Every school district cut back on administrative costs (do we really need vice principals? Dean of students? Etc?) and hire a trained armed security guard for every school.
But lets face it....if someone wants to kill a large number of people, they will find a way to do it. NOTHING is going to stop this from happening again and again.
If this kid did not have guns, he would have had a home made bomb or something else.
We are not safe anywhere. Every day is a gamble.


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 Post subject: Re: Here comes gun control
PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:21 am 
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I found this in an article on MSNBC this morning:
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What percentage of murders are committed by people using guns?
According to the FBI Uniform Crime Statistics, in 2011 firearms were used in 68 percent of the nation’s murders, 41 percent of robberies, and 21 percent of aggravated assaults.
How has the rate of firearms-related murder changed in recent years?
In 2011 there were 14,612 murder victims, of which 9,903 were killed by assailants with firearms, according to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports.
The rate of firearms-related murders in 2011 was 3.2 per 100,000 people – a sharp decline from 1993 when the rate of firearms-related murders was 6.6 per 100,000 people.
The number of firearms-related murder victims dropped from more than 17,000 in 1993 to 9,903 in 2011.


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 Post subject: Re: Here comes gun control
PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:24 am 
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The number of firearms-related murder victims dropped from more than 17,000 in 1993 to 9,903 in 2011.


Yea, but sometimes you can't correlate the cause and effect. One might make an argument that there was an increase in gun ownership during that time, BUT also that was the "birth of the internet" and that may have more to do with the drop in gun homicides.

OR, like we can witness on a local level in most areas, perhaps it's a matter of underreporting the crimes and in the past the reporting was more honest.

For example in a small town that may not want the world to see it's true crime rate ... they may "not bother mentioning" crimes the public is not aware of, to make the crime rate seem lower.

Sorta like the "true unemployment rate" may not be the actual unemployment rate. It may vary by a substantial amount.


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 Post subject: Re: Here comes gun control
PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:33 pm 
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Yea, but sometimes you can't correlate the cause and effect. One might make an argument that there was an increase in gun ownership during that time, BUT also that was the "birth of the internet" and that may have more to do with the drop in gun homicides.


Let me get this straight: you are saying the "birth of the internet" could have caused a nearly 50% drop in gun homicides?

That kind of logic makes me retract ANY suggestions that I ever made that you should run for public office. You ARE not as intelligent as the yokels you have in office now.


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