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 Post subject: Kansas abortion doctor killed in church
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 7:51 pm 
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WICHITA, Kan. – Dr. George Tiller, one of the nation's few providers of late-term abortions despite decades of protests and attacks, was shot and killed Sunday in a church where he was serving as an usher.

The gunman fled, but a 51-year-old suspect was arrested some 170 miles away in suburban Kansas City three hours after the shooting, Wichita Deputy Police Chief Tom Stolz said.

The suspect's name was not released; police had been looking for a gunman who fled in a car registered in the Kansas City suburb of Merriam.

Stolz said all indications were that the man acted alone, although authorities were investigating whether he had any connection to anti-abortion groups.

Stolz said the man was being brought back to Wichita, where he would likely be charged Monday with one count of murder and two of aggravated assault. Stolz said the gunman threatened two people who tried to stop him.

There was no immediate word of the motive Tiller's assailant. But the doctor's violent death was the latest in a string of shootings and bombings over two decades directed against abortion clinics, doctors and staff.

Long a focus of national anti-abortion groups, including a summer-long protest in 1991, Tiller was shot in the foyer of Reformation Lutheran Church, Stolz said. Tiller's attorney, Dan Monnat, said Tiller's wife, Jeanne, was in the choir at the time.

The slaying of the 67-year-old doctor is "an unspeakable tragedy," his widow, four children and 10 grandchildren said in statement. "This is particularly heart-wrenching because George was shot down in his house of worship, a place of peace."

The family said its loss "is also a loss for the city of Wichita and women across America. George dedicated his life to providing women with high-quality health care despite frequent threats and violence."

Tiller's Women's Health Care Services clinic is one of just three in the nation where abortions are performed after the 21st week of pregnancy. The clinic was heavily fortified and Tiller often traveled with a bodyguard, but Stolz said there was no indication of security at the church Sunday.

Anti-abortion groups denounced the shooting and stressed that they support only nonviolent protest. The movement's leaders fear the killing could create a backlash just as they are scrutinizing U.S. Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor, whose views on abortion rights are not publicly known.

"We are shocked at this morning's disturbing news that Mr. Tiller was gunned down," Troy Newman, Operation Rescue's president, said in a statement. "Operation Rescue has worked for years through peaceful, legal means, and through the proper channels to see him brought to justice. We denounce vigilantism and the cowardly act that took place this morning."

President Barack Obama said he was "shocked and outraged" by the murder. "However profound our differences as Americans over difficult issues such as abortion, they cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence," he said.

At Tiller's church, Adam Watkins, 20, said he was sitting in the middle of the congregation when he heard a small pop at the start of the service.

"We just thought a child had come in with a balloon and it had popped, had gone up and hit the ceiling and popped," Watkins said.

Another usher came in and told the congregation to remain seated, then escorted Tiller's wife out. "When she got to the back doors, we heard her scream, and so we knew something bad had happened," Watkins said.

He said the service continued even after an associate pastor announced that Tiller had been injured. "We were just really shocked," he said. "We were kind of dumbfounded. We couldn't really believe it had happened."

Tiller had in the past endured threats and violence. A protester shot Tiller in both arms in 1993, and his clinic was bombed in 1985. More recently, Monnat said Tiller had asked federal prosecutors to step up investigations of vandalism and other threats against the clinic out of fear that the incidents were increasing and that Tiller's safety was in jeopardy. Stolz, however, said police knew of no threats connected to the shooting.

In early May, Tiller had asked the FBI to investigate vandalism at his clinic, including cut wires to surveillance cameras and damage to the roof that sent rainwater pouring into the building.

In 1991, the Summer of Mercy protests organized by Operation Rescue drew thousands of anti-abortion activists to this city for demonstrations marked by civil disobedience and mass arrests.

Tiller began providing abortion services in 1973. He acknowledged abortion was as socially divisive as slavery or prohibition but said the issue was about giving women a choice when dealing with technology that can diagnose severe fetal abnormalities before a baby is born.

Nancy Keenan, president of abortion-rights group NARAL Pro-Choice America, issued a statement praising Tiller's commitment.

"Dr. Tiller's murder will send a chill down the spines of the brave and courageous providers and other professionals who are part of reproductive-health centers that serve women across this country. We want them to know that they have our support as they move forward in providing these essential services in the aftermath of the shocking news from Wichita," Keenan said.

After the 1991 protests, Tiller kept mostly to his heavily guarded clinic, although in 1997 he opened it to three tours by state lawmakers and the media. He wore a button that read "Trust Women."

The clinic is fortified with bulletproof glass, and Tiller hired a private security team to protect the facility. Once outside the clinic, Tiller was routinely accompanied by a bodyguard.

At a recent trial, he told jurors that he and his family have suffered years of harassment and threats and that he knew he was a target of anti-abortion protesters.

Federal marshals protected Tiller during the 1991 Summer of Mercy protests, and he was protected again between 1994 and 1998 after another abortion provider was assassinated and federal authorities reported finding Tiller's name on an assassination list.

Tiller remained prominent in the news, in part because of an investigation begun by former Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline, an abortion opponent.

Prosecutors had alleged that Tiller had gotten second opinions from a doctor who was essentially an employee of his, not independent as state law requires. A jury in March acquitted Tiller of all 19 misdemeanor counts.

"I am stunned by this lawless and violent act, which must be condemned and should be met with the full force of law," Kline said in a statement. "We join in lifting prayer that God's grace and presence rest with Dr. Tiller's family and friends."


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May abortion doctors follow in the footsteps of Tiller.

Isn't it a bit hypocritical to sit in church and worship god, then during the week, kill defenseless babies?


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Tez wrote:
May abortion doctors follow in the footsteps of Tiller.

Isn't it a bit hypocritical to sit in church and worship god, then during the week, kill defenseless babies?


Tez, I'm trying to understand how a man like this could rationalize to himself.


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I'm trying to understand how Loggerheads and Tez can say things like "Karma" and "May abortion doctors follow in the footsteps of Tiller" but obviously see themselves as Higher Beings.


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I do see myself as a higher being than a doctor that gives abortions, because I've never killed anyone. Part of being a doctor is taking an oath to harm none. Obviously, you see killing babies as ok, and whatever, that's your point of view. But mine is that it is wrong.


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Suze, your post is kind of confusing though. Are you saying that higher beings wouldn't say abortion is wrong?

I guess my best question for you is, what would you think of abortion if your parents had thought it was coat-hanger-o'clock?


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Suze wrote:
I'm trying to understand how Loggerheads and Tez can say things like "Karma" and "May abortion doctors follow in the footsteps of Tiller" but obviously see themselves as Higher Beings.


Because I've never crushed the skull of, then vacuumed a late term baby out of a woman?
This scumbucket has been murdering babies (babies, not fetuses) since 1975.... Yes, I am a "higher being" than a man who has murdered hundreds if not thousands of babies. :wink:


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I always wonder how radical libbies and feminazis defend late term & partial-birth abortion. They don't have the "it's a clump of cells" rhetoric to hide behind.


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Tez wrote:
I do see myself as a higher being than a doctor that gives abortions, because I've never killed anyone. Part of being a doctor is taking an oath to harm none. Obviously, you see killing babies as ok, and whatever, that's your point of view. But mine is that it is wrong.


Hit the nail on the head. And if his wife supported his actions, I have no sympathy for her.


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For all those people who claim "its just a bunch of cells", does this look like just a clump of cells, or a tiny human being?
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Or how about those that say the baby won't feel a thing.
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That's an abortion that failed, and I'm sure that's more painful than anything any of us has ever experienced.

Right now, the legal cutoff for abortions is 24 weeks. This baby pictured below was born at 21 weeks and 6 days. This baby also survived and is healthy and well.
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Still believe it's not a life yet and that they don't feel a thing? That's stupid.

Here is an illustration of exactly what doctor Tiller was doing daily for a living.
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Yes, I do believe I am better than any man that could do this. I am better than any doctor or a woman that could do anything like this to innocent children that never had a chance to live.


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But Tez! Women can do whatever they want with their bodies! Telling them that it's wrong to mutilate, decapitate, and vacuum babies is OPPRESSIVE and PATRIARCHAL! :shock:


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Well, if that is the case, then men should be able to do what they want with their bodies and kill abortion doctors. I don't see the difference, except that the abortion doctor can actually defend himself.

My theory is, Stop abortion, kill sluts.


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